April McElroy
Hello! My name is April McElroy. I am a Licensed Marital and Family Therapy practicing in Tulsa, OK. I received my Undergraduate degree in Psychology in the year 2000 from Southern Connecticut State University. I obtained my Master's of Arts Degree in Marital and Family Therapy in 2015 from Southern Nazarene University. I have experience working with severely mentally ill individuals in the residential setting. I also have experience working in the Inpatient setting with individuals struggling with mental illness and substance abuse issues. As a Marital and Family Therapist, my credentials are grounded in a systemic framework which takes into account how your relationships with people, places, and things in your life play a part in what brings you into therapy. Today there are so many things that may contribute toward feelings of depression, anxiety, anger, and can cause issues of conflict. Individuals struggling with issues such as finances, physical and emotional disabilities may find themselves in a state of feeling stuck and feeling hopeless. I want to extend my help and hope to you. I will utilize a culturally sensitive and trauma sensitive approach in your treatment so that I can address your specific needs. I also adopt the belief that we are all human and we all experience pain. By not being alone and in isolation, we can work through that pain so that you can begin healing and living the life that you want. My approach is grounded in Rogerian or Person Centered Therapy which utilizes a sense of Unconditional Positive Regard. By adopting a "come as you are" approach, I have an acceptance of all the facets that make up who you are today. Part of my role as a Rogerian therapist is to be present and empathic, and humble so that we can relate to one another on a human level. My education and experience are only a part of the experience..the rest is empowering you to believe in yourself that you can trust yourself to make decisions about your life. I also borrow concepts from Therapies such as Reality Therapy, Narrative Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and Inner Child Therapy. I will formulate goals with you that reflect what you are doing right and what you feel you need improvement on. The premise behind acknowledging what you are doing is that. all is not hopeless upon entering therapy..you have an abundance of support surrounding you, it's. just that negative self worth keeps you from enjoying the environment that is surrounding you. Together we will move forward by addressing specific areas of your life so that you can free up the toxic beliefs and thoughts about the part of you that holds you back and replace those thoughts and beliefs with more present centered positive ones so that you can appreciate your life better. I want to remind you that you have choices. If you choose me to work with you, I will honor and appreciate that choice and my work with you will reflect what your goals are and how you want to live a more fulfilling life.
Jason Huber
Thank you for taking a look at my profile. I have over 27 years of experience in the behavioral health field with the last five years of that being virtual/text/phone based sessions. I do my best to reduce the pressure and tension usually associated with beginning the counseling/therapy process. If you don't feel like I'm a good fit for you and your issues, I understand. I would appreciate you giving me a chance though. I hope you get a chance to read the reviews of people just like yourself have been nice enough to leave here about their work with me. I wish you well on your journey and would be honored if you invite me to tag along. Have a great rest of your day or night. Respectfully and Professionally Yours, Jason Resume/Experience B.S. Psychology 1995 Southwestern Oklahoma State University M.S. Behavioral Science 1997 Cameron University Families dealing with stress of child welfare, juvenile justice, adoption, and/or custody battle issues. Military families in both private practice and agency settings as both consultant and provider. Consulting with management in implementing new behavioral solutions for children and families. Facilitating training and seminars on various mental health topics for both prevention and treatment. Marketing behavioral health programs in public and private settings. Individual and group treatment expertise with a wide variety of disorders and populations including geriatric, children, early-childhood, addictions, serious mental illness, and criminal behavior. Public School Systems (8 + years) Department of Defense (Army, Navy, and Airforce Services) both adult and children's population in many different states Therapeutic Foster Care (approximately 3 years) State of Oklahoma DMHSAS (3 years) Various for profit and not for profit counseling agencies (continued) Lawton OK Headstart (1 year behavioral health consulting) Private Clients (Individual, Family, Marriage, and Children's Counseling) CRISIS RESPONSE TRAUMATIC EVENT CLIENTS Boeing (Trauma Response Services) Dell (Trauma Response Services) Quadgraphics (Trauma Response Services) Assurant (Trauma Response Services) Cintas (Trauma Response Services) BAE Systems (Trauma Response Services) Cedar Ridge Hospital (Trauma Response Services) UPS (Trauma Response Services) Bank of America (Trauma Response Services) USA Compression (Trauma Response Services) Merrill Lynch (Trauma Response Services) Oklahoma University Children's Hospital (Trauma Response and Consulting) Blattner Energy (Trauma Response and Consulting) And many more...
Brian Timms
Hi! My name is Brian Timms and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Oklahoma with over 9 years experience working in the Mental Health field. I began my career working with people living with HIV/AIDS. I provided therapy for folks that were newly diagnosed as well as long term survivors. During my time with Tulsa CARES I worked with folks struggling with coming out, multiple addiction issues, lack of support system and issues relating to sex. I have been doing therapy part time as a Home Based Mental Health Therapist since 2013. I work with folks who are on Soonercare, which is the state of Oklahoma's medicaid program. I have worked with clients with a range of concerns including depression, anxiety, parenting problems, career changes, ADHD, and other relationship issues. I consider myself a person centered therapist who is warm and accepting of everyone. I respect others beliefs especially when different than mine. I believe everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, no matter what they are going through. I will meet you where you are and allow you to decide how we move forward.
Dianna Hinshaw
As a compassionate and eclectic dual licensed therapist, I specialize in supporting women who are navigating codependent behaviors and seeking to reclaim their sense of self. My approach is rooted in a diverse array of therapeutic models, chosen to meet your unique needs as you work towards healthier relationships and self-empowerment. I offer a blend of modalities, including strength-based confidence training, cognitive behavioral therapy, trauma-informed care, and life coaching. My goal is to foster a warm, non-judgmental environment where you feel safe to explore and challenge patterns that may be holding you back. In my work with women experiencing codependency, I focus on helping you develop self-awareness and break free from the cycle of people-pleasing and self-sacrifice. Whether you need support in setting boundaries, building self-confidence, or pursuing personal and professional goals, I’m here to guide you every step of the way. I understand that change requires both encouragement and accountability. That’s why I offer teletherapy and virtual life coaching, allowing us to connect conveniently via video. This means no more battling traffic or losing precious time traveling. As your professional counselor with a life coaching approach, I offer a supportive yet empowering environment to help you identify and overcome unhelpful patterns. Together, we will develop effective strategies for personal growth, focusing on strengthening your sense of self. My goal is to help you assert your needs, pursue your aspirations, and create a fulfilling life on your own terms.
Yoonhee Kang
I am licensed in Marriage and Family Therapy in Oklahoma with 5 years of professional work experience. I have experience in helping clients with stress and anxiety, coping with addictions, trauma and abuse, & bipolar disorder and more severe mental illness such as schizophrenia and personality disorders along with couples and family issues. I believe that you are the expert of your story and that you have many strengths that will assist you in overcoming things that challenge you. Taking the first step to seeking a more fulfilling and happier life takes courage. I am here to support you in that process.
David Sprouse
I am licensed in Hawaii, Oregon, Oklahoma and Alabama with 5+ years of professional licensed counseling-specific work experience in addition to 20+ years of healthcare experience. I have experience in helping clients with stress and anxiety, coping with addictions, relationship issues, & trauma and abuse, ADHD, career stressors, medical stressors and many more. I have several years of experiencve working with addictions, including previously directing a Medication Assisted Treatment center of over 500 clients, including methadone, suboxone and more. I work with my clients to create an open and safe environment where thoughts and feelings can be shared without fear of judgment. It takes courage to seek out a more fulfilling and happier life and to take the first steps towards a change. I am here to support & empower you in that journey. My casual, yet still professional style often helps clients relax and share openly.
Dr. Nicole Altimari
Hello and welcome! My name is Nicole and I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in the state of Florida and a Licensed Professional Counselor in the state of Oklahoma with over nine years experience providing therapy and assisting my clients reach their goals. I have worked in many therapeutic settings to include child welfare, a holistic treatment center for co-occuring disorders that offered four levels of care and private practice, where I spent many years. I take a client centered approach and tailor therapy to best meet the needs of each client. I think it is important to meet my clients where they are and encourage them to play an active role in determining the course of therapy; after all, they are the experts of their lives. Treatment modalities that I pull from are Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy, Solution Focused Therapy and Client Centered Therapy. I believe we are all capable of making changes that contribute to a happy, healthy life and achieving our goals. I truly enjoy walking alongside of my clients during their therapeutic journey and assisting them in reaching their goals. *You might not see any availability on my scheduling tab but do not worry, I manage the appointments to ensure everyone's scheduling needs are accommodated.
Casey Machado
I am licensed in Oklahoma with 19 years of professional work experience. I have experience in helping clients with stress and anxiety, relationship issues, coping with grief and loss, & parenting issues. I believe that you are the expert of your story and that you have many strengths that will assist you in overcoming things that challenge you. Taking the first step to seeking a more fulfilling and happier life takes courage. I am here to support you in that process.
Aqua Stefano
I am licensed in California with 6 years of professional work experience. I have experience in helping clients with stress and anxiety, trauma and abuse, coping with grief and loss, & depression. I believe in treating everyone with respect, sensitivity, and compassion. I will tailor our dialog and treatment plan to meet your unique and specific needs. It takes courage to seek out a more fulfilling and happier life and to take the first steps towards a change. I am here to support & empower you in that journey.
Raquel Colbert-Dawson
I help individuals work through the layers of life experience to create a path to living their best and healthiest life. Individuals that have a high level of success while working with me have these five things in common: 1. They are ready to commit to their personal growth 2. They see the value in developing a new mindset and emotional skillset. 3. They are committed to building their self-value, esteem, and confidence. 4. They are done making excuses. 5. They are open to trusting the process of therapy. I am licensed in Oklahoma and Texas with over a decade of professional work experience. I believe in treating everyone with respect, sensitivity, and compassion. Let’s get started.
How to find a therapist for counseling in Gerty
Finding the best therapist close by in Gerty can feel challenging, but know that once you narrow your search for a counselor serving your area, you can find a therapist in your city that is accepting new clients and fits your goals. Whether you're struggling with depression, anxiety, marriage, family issues, or other emotional challenges, feel proud that you have begun your search to find the mental health care services with therapists in Gerty that work best for you in order to begin your personal journey towards emotional healing with a therapist.
Understanding the type of therapy you'd like to search for is crucial before finding a therapist or psychologist in Gerty. Perhaps you're interested in narrowing your search for a psychotherapist that can offer psychodynamic, cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), talk therapy, provide group therapy, marriage and family therapy for individuals or couples, or couples therapy. Each type of therapy with BetterHelp therapists can offer various benefits and address or treat different disorders. If you're still unsure or are new to counseling in Gerty, feel free to contact the provider via email to find out which methods they practice.
It is also important to understand that mental health professionals in the United States are accredited to provide care, helping individuals and couples, with a variety of licenses for therapists. These include licensed marriage and family therapist (LMFT), licensed clinical social worker (LCSW), and clinical psychologist or doctor of psychology (PsyD). Regardless of their licensure, they are trained therapists able to treat individuals and couples counseling, and sometimes children, in any type of therapy in the Gerty region and in the state of Oklahoma. Find a therapist under any of these distinctions and know that the sessions they offer can provide a safe place to heal.
A mental health counselor working through their own in-person therapy practice in Gerty or online may assist clients in improving healthy relationships, communication skills, working through life transitions, couples counseling, managing a mood disorder, improving coping skills, self help tips, offer life coaching, family therapy, or change in negative thinking patterns. A Gerty therapist may also provide a safe place and validation for clients experiencing emotional pain, or that simply want a psychological assessment. Verified providers and therapists can provide licensed marriage and couples therapy, tailor to individual needs, and create a therapeutic relationship as a National Certified Counselor.
There are all kinds of therapists working with clients today across the United States and in the greater Gerty area in different types of therapy, including:
- CBT
- DBT
- Substance use therapy
- Couples therapy
When you're ready to start your search and find Gerty therapists, have in mind what type of therapy you'd like your provider to be most experienced with and choose an experienced provider with a practice located near you in the city of Gerty, elsewhere in Hughes, or in the greater state of Oklahoma. Get matched with one of the therapists working on the BetterHelp platform today.
Frequently asked questions (FAQs) about therapists and mental health services
Some other commonly asked questions on therapy with a licensed counselor and BetterHelp serving the Gerty area can be found below:
How does the cost of in-person counseling with a therapist compare to the cost of BetterHelp with a licensed Gerty therapist?
The average price of an in-person therapy session in the US with most therapists is $100 to $200 per hour. These prices may be higher in Gerty due to a higher cost of living, and a limited number of therapists taking new clients. The price also depends on the type of provider you are looking for. See the following average prices for various mental health providers without insurance:
- Counseling with a psychiatrist: $150-$500
- Counseling with therapists: $100-300
- Therapy with a psychologist: $100
While many psychologists in Gerty may not take health insurance, some therapists in the state of Oklahoma may work on a sliding scale, meaning they'll factor in your income and charge what you can afford per session. With a BetterHelp therapist throughout the state of Oklahoma you can expect significantly more affordable options, with therapists sessions ranging from $65 to $100 per week (billed every four weeks). If you're looking for a therapist, Cincinnati offers a variety of professionals who can help with your mental health needs at a price you can afford.
How is a licensed therapist on this Gerty online therapy platform verified?
Therapists in Gerty, Oklahoma working on BetterHelp are licensed, trained, experienced, and accredited as a doctor of psychology (PhD / PsyD), licensed marriage and family therapists (LMFT), licensed clinical social worker (LCSW / LICSW), or licensed professional counselors (LPC). All of these psychology clinicians have a Masters Degree or a Doctorate Degree in their field of psychology sciences, and follow the APA Code of Ethics. Therapists have been qualified and certified by their state's professional board after successfully completing the necessary education, exams, training and practice with a patient, and extensive experience in a healthcare clinic or treatment centers, in order to become a mental health provider. While their lived experience, expertise, careers, and background vary, therapists here all possess at least 3 years and 1,000 hours of hands-on experience with adult and sometimes teen patients, and have the necessary therapist credentials to provide a safe space for long lasting emotional healing in therapy.
Please note BetterHelp does not offer or provide care from Gerty psychiatrists to prescribe a drug or medication as treatment, or perform psychological assessments and other psychiatric services.
How does working with a professional counselor in BetterHelp online therapy sessions work?
BetterHelp clinicians and therapists treat clients online across the United States (individuals and couples) through life transitions, inner child exploration, long term depression or anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder, and more. An online mental health therapist, including the therapists in Gerty above, can work with young adults, children, adolescents, and adults virtually as an accredited licensed clinical social worker (LCSW) or licensed marriage and family therapist (LMFT). You do not have to commute to a an office as a psychotherapy client.
Through BetterHelp therapy, you can partake in video, phone, or live chat therapy sessions with your licensed therapist. You can work through various symptoms, use the in app journaling feature, and receive worksheets while working with BetterHelp therapists. You'll also find support groups or group therapy lead by a therapist in Gerty helping individuals on topics including managing life transitions, symptoms affecting sexual health, behavioral health, coping skills for anxiety, depression, trauma, stress, marriage counseling, and more. Get matched with one of BetterHelp's therapists today.
What mental health issues can psychotherapy address with the help of psychologists?
BetterHelp's verified Gerty therapists specialize and have clinical experience in a wide range of mental health issues and modalities, helping clients to feel better and improve their lives every day. See below for examples.
Our therapists specialties on BetterHelp include:
- Cognitive behavioral therapy - This type of therapy is provided by therapists who are professional counselors, helping clients identify and change negative thought patterns through structured sessions.
- Behavior therapy - Therapists use behavior therapy techniques to help clients modify harmful behaviors and develop healthier habits, often through the guidance of a professional counselor.
- EMDR therapy - EMDR therapists assist clients in processing traumatic memories to alleviate emotional distress and improve overall well-being, utilizing the expertise of a professional counselor.
- Talk therapy - Therapists engage clients in talk therapy to explore their feelings and develop strategies for dealing with various mental health issues, often guided by a professional counselor.
- Depression - Therapists offer counseling to help individuals manage symptoms of depression and improve their mood and functioning, often working closely with a professional counselor.
- Anxiety disorders - Therapists specialize in anxiety disorders, offering strategies to manage and reduce anxiety symptoms effectively, often through counseling sessions with a professional counselor.
- Stress - Therapists provide tools and techniques to help clients cope with stress and improve their mental resilience, frequently under the supervision of a professional counselor.
- Eating disorders - Therapists experienced in eating disorders offer specialized counseling to address unhealthy eating patterns and body image issues, with the support of a professional counselor.
- Grief - Therapists provide support and guidance to clients experiencing grief, helping them navigate the stages of loss, often in collaboration with a counselor.
- Attachment therapy - Therapists use attachment therapy to help clients understand and improve their emotional bonds and relationships, often with the assistance of a counselor.
- Relationships - Therapists work with clients to improve communication, resolve conflicts, and strengthen their connections with others, often using the skills of a counselor.
- Children, adolescents, and teens - Therapists specializing in youth therapy address the unique mental health needs of children, adolescents, and teens, often involving a counselor in the process.
- Addiction (substance abuse) - Therapists offer counseling for addiction, helping clients overcome substance abuse and maintain long-term recovery, often under the guidance of a counselor.
- Divorce - Therapists support individuals through the emotional and practical challenges of ending a marriage, often working with a psychologist to provide comprehensive care.
- Trauma or PTSD - Therapists specializing in trauma and PTSD help clients process traumatic experiences and reduce their symptoms, frequently collaborating with a psychologist.
- Bipolar disorder - Therapists provide counseling to manage the mood swings and challenges associated with bipolar disorder, often in consultation with a psychologist.
- Psychodynamic treatment - Therapists use psychodynamic treatment to explore unconscious processes and how they affect current behavior, often guided by psychologists.
- Career counseling - Therapists assist clients in making informed decisions about their professional paths and resolving work-related issues, often with the help of psychologists.
- Alcohol use disorders - Therapists offer specialized counseling to help clients manage and overcome alcohol use disorders, frequently under the supervision of psychologists.
- OCD - Therapists provide strategies and support to manage obsessive-compulsive disorder symptoms, often via psychotherapy.
- ADHD - Therapists offer counseling to help clients with ADHD improve focus, organization, and overall functioning, often via psychotherapy.
- Mood disorders - Therapists work with clients to stabilize and improve mood through various therapeutic approaches, frequently in psychotherapy.
- Sex addiction
- Complex trauma
- Life transitions
You may also be struggling with relationship problems that could be addressed in couples therapy or with a sex therapist. In that case, you may choose to work with one of BetterHelp's experienced cognitive-behavioral therapists or licensed marriage family therapists (LMFT) who work with clients in relationships. You can also try a Gerty therapy provider through BetterHelp's sister platform, ReGain, which is dedicated to couples and spouses worldwide with licensed therapists.
How do I know if online counseling is right for my family in Gerty?
One of the potentially rewarding aspects of working with a Gerty therapist is the validation and active listening they can provide. Your friends and loved ones may also be available to listen, but you may feel that they may lack the skills to provide objective guidance. Counselors and therapists are trained to respond to various concerns, symptoms, and mental health conditions in Gerty therapy sessions.
Gerty therapists in your city can support you toward a healthier emotional state, regardless of your mental health, life concerns, or healing needs. While supporting individuals in developing healthier habits, another good benefit of Gerty therapy is having an understanding, safe space with a non-judgmental party who can support you through challenging experiences.
Many people have sensitive topics that they may feel ashamed to discuss with their friends or partner. A Gerty therapist can help you confront these concerns and open up through unique methods of support. There are also many types of therapy, such as art therapy, where you may find you can express yourself through creativity instead of words with a psychotherapist.
With a lot of people in OK, therapists may be booked out with clients. Through the list of profiles or therapists above and others within BetterHelp's team, you may be able to find a psychologist within 24 to 48 hours. If you're searching to find a a nearby psychotherapist close to 74531 or the surrounding zip codes, consider others available through the BetterHelp site where you can schedule a session based on your and the therapist's schedule. No matter if you are seeking help from therapists in your area or beyond, online therapy can be a great option.
How should I prepare for my first therapy session with a Gerty counselor?
Before seeing your Gerty therapist, prep for your session by reading to understand the therapy process. You might write a list of questions you want to ask your psychotherapist, any emotional pain you may feel, and the ways in which you hope to improve. When you attend your session, you can let our therapists know if you have any concerns about therapy or feel unsure about what to talk about. Gerty therapists here may help guide you with open-ended therapeutic questions while offering mental health services. The first session will often serve as an intake to get to know you as a person and learn why you're attending therapy in Gerty.
Should I find a therapist or psychologist for therapy if I feel fine?
Some simply don't feel the need to see a psychologist. However, some people may avoid attending therapy due to stigma or preconceived notions of what therapy entails. Although psychologists often support people with mental health conditions, you do not need a diagnosis or condition to attend therapy. You can discuss grief, relationship concerns, stress, or life changes and ask for general feedback and advice from a therapist. A Gerty licensed clinical social worker may help you gain power over your life and emotions while you navigate day-to-day experiences.
Gaining a new perspective on yourself through various therapies might allow you to improve your self-esteem, work through relationships, and gain a better sense of your mental health goals. The success you may find through therapy with a Gerty counselor can be dependent on your process.
People may also attend therapy for specific motives, such as bullying, an autism diagnosis, a desire to learn mindfulness meditation, personality concerns, trouble with office workers, specific phobias, and many other principles that a counselor can help with.
Is mental health care and therapy with a therapist worth it?
Therapy with a licensed counselor is effective and has the power to change individuals' lives. Each client is at a different stage of their emotional healing journey in life, as each human can be unique in their personality, expression, skills, and goals. A psychologist can target various symptoms, experiences, and personalities to help you feel your best and put you on the path to healing. Unlike advice from a friend, family, or non-professional, a mental health therapist has an understanding of various disorders like ADHD and depression with many hours of experience in treating adults in their practice. For this reason, seeing an evidence based psychologist in Gerty, Oklahoma can be worth it. Over 41 million adults in the US attend therapy services each year, showing it's a popular option and is proven to be effective.
Gerty has many clinicians who practice person or client-centered individual therapy in-person and through online therapy to assist clients in their healing journey. If you opt into online therapy, you might also be able to meet with providers all over the United States and change therapists easily at any time. Many people struggling with anxiety and depression, substance abuse, body image issues, and more find therapists that are a good fit for them, feel supported, and gain further insight into their lives through internet-based therapy.
Do therapists judge you in therapy sessions during telehealth appointments?
The boundaries between you and a therapist are in place to help you and them regarding ethical concerns. Mental health professionals are held by ethical standards through the American Psychological Association (APA) and are not allowed to judge or harm their clients. If you are concerned about sharing details about yourself, feel free to withhold personal information. Their job in the therapeutic relationship is to create a safe place, help you gain a deeper understanding of your mental health, and support you. You might consider changing counselors if you don't feel safe or respected.
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Take some time today to learn more about the team of Gerty therapists at BetterHelp to understand the services available to you clearly. If you are new to therapy or have any questions about the services and terms, please reach out to customer service through the contact page or send an email to contact@betterhelp.com.
If you’re ready to sign up for online therapy, consider signing up with a platform like BetterHelp and get matched within 24 to 48 hours.
If you are experiencing a crisis or emergency, don't use this site's online services. If you are in life-threatening danger, call 911. If you require support for a crisis, reach out to the hotlines below:
- National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE (7233)
- National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)
- Crisis Text Line: Text HOME to 741741
- Veterans Crisis Line: Call 1-800-273-8255 (and press 1) or text 838255. For support for the deaf and hard of hearing community, please use your preferred relay service or dial 711 then 1-800-273-8255.
- Trevor Lifeline (LGBTQ Lifeline): (866)488-7386
- SAMHSA National Helpline (Substance Use): (800)662-4357
- National Eating Disorder Association Helpline:1-800-931-2237 (M-Th: 9 AM-9 PM EST, Fri 9 AM - 5 PM EST)
- Child Help Hotline: Call 1-800-422-4453 or use the online chat feature
- National Anti-Hazing Hotline for young adults, adolescents, and adults: 1-888-NOT-HAZE (1-888-668-4293)
- Physician Crisis Support Line: Contact 1-888-409-0141 if you are a first responder or medical provider experiencing crises related to Covid-19
- Sexual Assault Hotline: Call RAINN at 1-800-656-4673
Below are some of the zip codes served by BetterHelp therapists in Gerty:
74531, 74825